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| By MaryNeal - 10/06/2009 09:58 PM MST |
| IF Arthur is guilty of fraud oon the court, Than Obama is also guilty of fraud before the Constitution of The whole United States! |
| By scottplad - 09/23/2009 07:00 PM MST |
| doesn't the saying go innocent till proven guilty! More so how that statement has twisted over the years guilty till proven innocent. Either way he's innocent..Let him go..As far as the judge pride is a harmful thing and his fall will be interesting to watch because what goes around, unfortunately,comes around. It makes me sad that our country is all twisted lately. |
| By action138 - 09/21/2009 05:25 AM MST |
| Thus far, nearly 700 people have viewed this poll, and 68 voted. Those who voted "NO! Don't execute Arthur for fibbing" are ahead 60 to 8. It is amazing that over 10% of voters want to see a citizen killed for lying, although his DNA test results came back negative as the murderer. Perhaps some of them just checked the first box and did not really notice the wording! Here is a must read article about the Arthur case! The Care2 ecards I sent on September 1 to notify Care2 friends and groups and others about this poll and the article at Care2 News Network arrived to the addressees EMPTY! Care2 reported being cyberattacked in the ecard area. My advocacy email box is MaryLovesJustice@gmail.com. Google's gmail also went down on September 1. Do you think it was cyberstalked, too? Do you think the two occurrences are connected to the news about Arthur's DNA results, which is being omitted in mainstream news? Thanks for participating! Please see this article: Google Outage on 9/1: Was it Cyberstalking? ** http://freespeakblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/google-outage-on-91-was-it.html |
| By MaryNeal - 09/20/2009 05:31 PM MST |
| PWU, I agree with every word in your post just below. There's always a first time for everything. |
| By wmn4mccain - 09/19/2009 02:55 PM MST |
| The sad part is that you think he should be given credit for time served. He should not have to serve one more day and he didn't and doesn't derserve any time!!! And the man is still there with that judge still trying to get him executed. Read the post of Mary Neal at the bottom. Why can't that judge admit their mistake? DNA testing has been around for a while now what is wrong with this judge? If they execute an innocent then that judge should follow after. |
| By pleasewakeup - 09/18/2009 01:48 PM MST |
| PWU, I did not say he deserved 26 years for lying or committing fraud, which is what he really did. But, since he already served it, he should be given credit for serving his time and released - only if what MaryNeal is saying is the truth. I have not researched it and don't know anything about it. Listen, the police are not knocking on innocent peoples' doors everyday, arresting them and taking them to prison. In Florida, there was a serial killer in the early 1980's, Danny Rollings, who brutally murdered 6-7 college kids at Univ of FL - sexually abusing the girls and cutting off their heads and leaving them where whoever opened the door could see them right away. DNA convicted him and he was given the death penalty. This was a very high profile crime in FL. Years went by and people forgot about him assuming he had met his fate - the death penalty. While my daughter was a student at UF, Rollings name came up because, after almost 18 yrs, he had finally exhausted his appeals and was getting the death penalty. The problem? He had spent the last 18 yrs in Stark Prison which is less than 30 miles from UF in Gainesville, FL. I was so angry. Knowing he's a serial murderer who preys on college students, the state of FL kept him for 18 yrs only 30 miles away. What if he had escaped? What if a liberal judge had let him out on parole? Most prisoners who are let out of Stark Prison end up in Gainesville because it is the closest town. I was angry because all of those students, including my daughter, were put in unnecessary danger. I could not wait until the day he was executed. We need to adopt a system in which appeals are exhausted much more quickly. People guilty of heinous crimes like that should not be allowed to sit in prison for 18 yrs. |
| By wmn4mccain - 09/16/2009 07:07 PM MST |
| Credit for time served? OMG since when do you get 26 years for lying to defend yourself against the blindness of our (I use the term loosly) justice system!! OMG.. What a piece of work.. In that case you shoud be doing 150 years wmn4mkkkain. |
| By pleasewakeup - 09/15/2009 06:22 PM MST |
| Innocent is innocent, guilty is guilty. Never mind the political excuses and contrivances to consider someone guilty when they are INNOCENT. Every innocent person would try to find some way to escape punishment for a crime they did not commit, especially the death sentence. Prosecutors are known for their commitment to conviction whether a person is innocent or guilty. |
| By rightacts - 09/15/2009 07:07 AM MST |
| Poll results as of 9/13/09 - 49 believe that Thomas Arthur should not be executed for lying to save his life in July 2008, and 4 believe Alabama should say, "Off with his head!" although he is not a murderer and DNA tests prove it (which are now under seal by the court). |
| By MaryNeal - 09/13/2009 02:29 PM MST |
| I agree with you that most people in prison are guilty of the offenses for which they were sentenced. In fact, many of them are guilty of more serious crimes, but they plea bargained. Even one wrongful conviction that causes an innocent person to serve time in prison or be executed is too many. There are in fact many innocents behind bars. The four causes of wrongful convictions are listed in my article: I DIDN'T DO IT, YOUR HONOR --- http://freespeakblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/i-didnt-do-it-your-honor.html ---
My blog tells about several innocent people who were executed and some who face execution like Thomas Arthur. Yesterday's article carries a petition by Texas Moratorium Network for Texas to admit that Cameron Todd Willingham, who was executed in 2004, did not kill his children by arson. See it at this link: --- http://freespeakblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/execution-of-cameron-todd-willingham.html ---
The reason why courts show a callous attitude about innocents behind bars is explained in my article: HOW IMPORTANT IS INNOCENCE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE --- http://freespeakblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/how-important-is-innocence-in-criminal.html ---
Thanks for responding, wmmccain. Regarding your contention that the death penalty is sometimes warranted but sentences should be carried out sooner, I hope you would first give everyone on death row the opportunity to perform DNA tests before execution and outlaw judges hiding test results that prove innocence. ---
Please be reminded that most of the exonerated people were in prison for over a decade before they were cleared of any wrongdoing. Therefore killing them sooner would not stop executing folks who are innocent. It might prevent people from knowing who was not guilty. Here are some examples: ----
Rolando Cruz - Exonerated though DNA testing in 1995 ? a decade after being sentenced to death in Illinois ********
Charles Irvin Fain - Exonerated through DNA testing in 2001 ? more than 17 years after being sentenced to death in Idaho ******
Ray Krone - Exonerated through DNA testing in 2002 ? a decade after being sentenced to death in Arizona ********
Ryan Matthews - Exonerated through DNA testing in 2004 ? five years after being sentenced to death in Louisiana ********
Curtis McCarty - Exonerated through DNA testing in 2007 ? 21 years after being sentenced to death in Oklahoma ********
Earl Washington - Exonerated through DNA testing in 2000 ? 17 years after being sentenced to death in Virginia ********
Joseph Fears - Exonerated through DNA testing in 2009 - 26 years imprisonment for a rape he never did. ******** Thanks again for your comments. ***** Thanks to everyone who votes on this poll, buzz it up on the Internet, I invite you to visit my Google profile to access links to my articles and blogs regarding justice issues: http://www.google.com/profiles/MaryLovesJustice |
| By MaryNeal - 09/13/2009 02:18 PM MST |
| MaryNeal, no I did not know that he had already served 26 yrs. If what you say is true, he should be given credit for time served and released. This is one unfortunate incident, I agree. When I lived in south FL, there were several incidents where guys were proven innocent of one murder through DNA evidence, however found guilty of several other murders by the same DNA. These were guys who had killed more than one woman - usually prostitutes. I believe that 99% of the prison population is guilty. But I am sorry for what has happened to Arthur. However, I do not want the death penalty abolished. There are very dangerous people out there who should never have the chance, either by escape or at the hands of a liberal judge, to get back out into society again. I believe we need the death penalty and it needs to be carried out more quickly. Heinous murderers should not be allowed on death row for 17 yrs while they keep getting appeal after appeal. I am much more concerned for the victims, not the criminals. If you can't do the time, then don't do the crime. |
| By wmn4mccain - 09/11/2009 10:02 AM MST |
| wmmcain, I was very surprised to read that you think Arthur should be given a prison sentence for getting Gilbert to lie in order to avoid wrongful execution last July. Did you notice that Arthur has already been incarcerated 26 years for a murder his DNA proved he did not do and was DENIED the right to test his DNA for many years before 2009? It seems as though authorities already knew Arthur's DNA would prove he is innocent and just didn't want to hear it. If you believe Arthur deserves incarceration for getting Gilbert to lie for him, I hope you agree it being "time served" rather than MORE time behind bars. He's already been there for nearly three decades and is 67 now. Thanks for responding, everyone who voted and/or commented. Please send the poll to your friends. Whether they participate or not, they will know that when condemned Americans' DNA test results come back negative for crimes, their results may be sealed by the court while execution plans continue. Some of them might be mildly surprised. I was not, because I'm a victim of The Cochran Firm Fraud (browse for it). I already knew how little righteousness matters in the justice system. |
| By MaryNeal - 09/11/2009 05:47 AM MST |
| BIG TYPO!! I meant to say "if what you say is true, he should NOT receive the death penalty." NOT is a very important word in my post and it somehow got left out by my typing too fast. Sorry. |
| By wmn4mccain - 09/09/2009 05:00 PM MST |
| If what you say above is true, he should receive the death penalty. The death penalty should be reserved for murder or child abuse and rape in some cases. He should be given a prison sentence for committing fraud by convincing Bobby Gilbert to confess to a crime he didn't commit. Bobby Gilbert obviously is not too bright, which is probably how Arthur got him to admit to killing someone he actually did not. |
| By wmn4mccain - 09/09/2009 04:58 PM MST |
| Is anyone surprised that there have been actual votes of yes on this poll? I bet I can tell you who they were. There are real monsters out there. |
| By pleasewakeup - 09/07/2009 11:08 AM MST |
| If the guy's innocent, set him free... who really cares about his telling of a lie? Some tight-assed D.A., that's who. |
| By DGrand1950 - 09/07/2009 10:43 AM MST |
| Mary, Thank you for all the articles you have done on the behalf of my father. I have posted the DNA test results on my fathers web site. There are still a few items that could be tested, but state will not allow that. The state also denied any additional testing on the items that were recently tested. The Innocence Project feels more advanced testing should of been made available to the defense from the beginning. The whole ordeal has just been a nightmare that never ends. I really appreciate all you have done and continue to do on my father's behalf. See test results - http://www.thomasarthurfightforlife.com/
Sincerely, Sherrie |
| By MaryNeal - 09/04/2009 07:00 AM MST |
| Death penalty is a legal crime world wide. "Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" is the most barbaric thing ever proclaimed. The governments should be ashamed and stop calling themselves being the heads of "civilized" countries. |
| By Nono - 09/02/2009 11:15 PM MST |
| well said Mary Neal. |
| By patricia9 - 09/02/2009 05:28 PM MST |
| I oppose the death penalty even when evidence of guilt is incontrovertible. In this instance, where the accused appears to have demonstrated his innocence, execution is completely inappropriate. Where in Alabama's criminal code is the death penalty stated to be a possible consequence of simple fraud? What reasonable person would uphold a charge of criminal fraud against an otherwise innocent man whose only lie was made in a desperate attempt to save himself when his life was unquestionably threatened? Under the circumstances, I'd certainly be willing to forgive his lie and set him free. Thomas Arthur must be freed, and the media must be allowed to report on this case. |
| By sterghe - 09/02/2009 03:40 PM MST |
| I oppose the death penalty even when evidence of guilt is incontrovertible. In this instance, where the accused appears to have demonstrated his innocence of the original crime, execution is unthinkable. Where in Alabama's criminal code is the death penalty described as a possible consequence of fraud? What rational person would uphold a charge of fraud against a man whose only lie was a desperate attempt to save his life in the face of certain death, anyway? Under those circumstances, I'm certainly willing to forgive the lie. This case is an abominable miscarriage of justice. |
| By sterghe - 09/02/2009 03:36 PM MST |
| Executed???
Gosh, death penalty should be abolished!!!!
That is just a legalized crime!
Execution, death penalty, is the most blatant sign of human degeneration and of the lack of understanding of creational-natural laws.
The legislation, whereby someone can be executed for committing a crime (no matter of which kind) must be revised in such a way, that humaneness, human spiritual nature, is reflected.
The one convicted of a given crime should be given the possibility to ponder on, truly acknowledge her/his horrible act and make honest amend.
This should be achieved through the limitation of her/his natural freedom by emprisonment, isolation from the society and possibly banishment - the duration of which would depend on the gravity of the crime.
We all have the right to make mistakes. And to pay for them. And to learn from them.
Regards. |
| By Adam - 09/02/2009 08:10 AM MST |
| I hope all goes well with this poll and it operates properly for you. My news is highly censored and gets interference from cyberstalkers. If you have problems, write me at MaryLovesJustice@gmail.com - The Care2 ecards I sent to hundreds of persons had been stripped of the news I wrote on the cards about Thomas's DNA results being placed under Seal while the State of AL seeks his death penalty despite knowing Arthur is innocent. Why do these folks keep doing things they are ashamed to show in public. I received the copies of sent emails in my gmail inbox. Even the link to the Care2 News Network article was missing from the email my friends receive. Someone does not want America to know about Thomas' innocence and the State's intention to execute him in spite of it. |
| By MaryNeal - 09/01/2009 10:54 AM MST |
| I just learned that Judge Pulliam ordered Thomas Arthur's DNA test results proving his innocence sealed - possibly until after the execution. I think that when people intend to kill innocent people, they should not hide the fact that their DNA evidence proved their innocence. Just stand right up and say, "WE DON'T CARE ABOUT GUILT AND INNOCENCE - JUST SINCE WE GET TO EXECUTE SOMEBODY SOON. WE LIKE TO DO IT! WE LOVE TO EXECUTE PEOPLE. GUILT NOT REQUIRED." I think this is pitiful. Poor Thomas Arthur. Most innocent people expect to get out of jail when their DNA tests prove innocence, not get drug to an execution chamber regardless! That is because they don't read my articles. If they did, they would know that capital punishment is sadistic entertainment for some people. |
| By MaryNeal - 09/01/2009 10:34 AM MST |
| How do we stop this from happening? Last year we had a local woman arrested because she refused to stop for a cop on a lonely dark road. She went to her own house where it was well lit and then stopped. Garrido was supposed to serve 50 years and was out in 10. Sports coaches are causing the deaths of kids and remain free. We should just call it the system because it has nothing to do with justice. It is an excuse for people like judges and politicians to get paid to do nothing but terrorize innocent people. That is why Maddoff could do what he did and Bush and Cheny were allowed to do what they did. Why have we come to the point where you have to lie to protect yourself from our phoney justice system & then a judge has the right to say you can legally be put to death even after your innocence is proven, because you lied? Somebody investigate that judge please and put them into the system they are using to terrorize the innocent. Arthur should be given all that judges assets to help him get on his feet after being imprisoned all those years. I hope he sues that judge and wins. Privatizing the prison system was the dumbest idea I ever heard of. Look how much corruption there is. It is like asking the insurance companies to clean up their act themselves. As we can see by recent experience even mayors, judges and prosecutors get in on the money grab, such as when teen-agers were targeted in one town as pawns for the privately owned and run juvenille detention. It all has to do with the money and I bet what is happening to Arthur is the same. How can you keep a hanging judge on the bench if you outlaw hangings? Thank you for bringing Arthur to our attention. |
| By pleasewakeup - 09/01/2009 08:01 AM MST |
| Our justice system closely fits the profile of a sociopath listed at this link: http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
No love, no empathy, callous, unable to feel remorse or guilt, irresponsible, unreliable, and given to a parasitic existence (prison profiteerism).
In addition to the psychopathic tendencies the justice system evidences, it also shows signs of schizophrenia and split personality disorder. There is one standard of justice for the elite, and another for the non-elite. The concept of equal justice is far from reality. At a time when many crimes and cover-ups by elite Americans are reluctantly being partially revealed and are likely to go unpunished, Thomas Arthur faces execution for "perpetuating a fraud on the court" to avoid WRONGFUL execution on July 31, 2008, having been DENIED the opportunity to prove his innocence with DNA testing for decades while he wrongly spent over 26 years of his life on death row.
Arthur was to have died by lethal injection on July 31, 2008. Arthur allegedly got Gilbert, another inmate, to take the rap for murdering Troy Wicker as his execution date drew near last summer. It worked, and Arthur won a third stay of execution. This year, Arthur was finally granted the right to post-conviction DNA testing, and DNA TESTS PROVED HIS INNOCENCE. Gilbert was also subjected to DNA testing to determine whether he was truly the Wicker's killer.
"Science has in fact made a liar out of Mr. Gilbert," Judge Pulliam said. "Science in this case has ABSOLUTELY CONFIRMED to me that what he had to say about being in the house was untrue." (Birmingham News, August 11, 2009)
Science now "absolutely confirmed" that NEITHER ARTHUR NOR GILBERT is Wicker's murderer. But this psychopathic justice system now plans to kill Arthur despite the fact that his DNA test results, like Gilbert's are negative. The same science that proved Gilbert is not the murderer also proved Arthur is not the murderer. Arthur now faces execution because he allegedly conspired with Gilbert to avoid being killed in 2008 for a murder NEITHER man committed.
Supreme Court Justice Scalia wrote in the minority opinion in the Troy Davis case that Americans have no recognized constitutional right to avoid imprisonment or execution by presenting proof of "actual innocence" after trial. In other words, the justice system could care less about guilt or innocence, just since accused persons had a trial. Inherent in that concept is the understanding that the justice system does not care about taxpayers paying around $50,000 per year per inmate to incarcerate the innocent, and around $90,000 more per year per inmate for innocent people on death row. The justice system allows innocent people like Author Thomas to pay for crimes while actual criminals maintain their freedom. Is that justice?
The elite never suffer wrongful conviction for lack of money to hire attorneys and denial of a simple test. Furthermore, they most often manage to avoid conviction for actual crimes. Poor white, African Americans, and Latinos are all in the slave class, and slaves' rights to life or freedom have never enjoyed protection under the law.
Why would any "justice" system deliberately imprison and execute innocent people like Thomas Arthur, Troy Davis, and Darrell Lomax? Only psychopaths do such things. My question is, what do you call those who sit by quietly and watch it happen? If we the people allow wrongful executions to be conducted in our names, and the poison in the needles was purchased with our tax dollars, does that make us psychopaths, too?
Mary Neal
http://wrongfuldeathoflarryneal.com
Assistance to the Incarcerated Mentally Ill (AIMI)
http://www.Care2.com/c2c/group/AIMI |
| By MaryNeal - 08/31/2009 10:35 PM MST |
